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All right. The negative approach, that is good. K: I think that is the only way. The positive way of the 'how' has lead man to divide himself, his loyalties, his pursuits, you have the 'how' of yours, and the 'how' of somebody else, and the method of this and they are all lost. HS: Fine. K: So if we could put aside that question, 'the how' for the time being, probably you will never put it, afterwards. I hope you won't. HS: Well, we'll see. K: So what is important is to find out what are the obstructions, the hindrances, the blocks that prevent clear perception of human anxiety, fear, sorrow, and the ache of loneliness, the utter lack of love and all that.

HS: In one sense I think that is true. K: No, I am asking you, is this what you are asking: is life to be divided into the past, present and future, which becomes fragmentary, and not a total perception of living? HS: Well again as so often it seems to me that the answer is both, and. In one sense it is a unity and it is present and the present is all we have, but man is a time-binding animal, as they say, who looks before and aft. K: So man is the result of time, not only evolutionary but chronological as well as psychological.

Freedom from authority. HS: And I feel in a kind of bind, because this freedom is attractive too and I want to go towards that, but I also want to pick your mind and ask you how to proceed? Am I moving away from my freedom if I ask you how to proceed? K: No, sir, but I am pointing out the difficulty of that word, the implication of that word, the 'how'. Not whether one is wandering away from freedom, or any other thing of that kind, but the word 'how' implies intrinsically a mind that says, please tell me what to do.

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